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9.7K views 25 replies 14 participants last post by  sonic_cruzer  
#1 ·
Looking for input on cam install, I have cam picked out TW-222 and all other parts. Although I am having trouble deciding on if I should change out the Lifters or not ? I was kinda looking for some input from people that have and have not, or just some informed opinions on the matter . Thanks
Bike is a 12 RGU
 
#5 ·
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Did not know that FM had a on-site manufacturing facility that is able to mass-produce lifters?
When did they start that manufacturing?
Must be a Mazak, or a Morey-Seiki bar-feeder with live tooling, and they must also now have a centerless grinder too?
I'll have to check that out.
WE, however, use S&S lifters here in our clients bikes to insure all is well with that area.
Scott
 
#9 ·
You know as well as anyone here that very few of the companies selling lifters actually manufacture them, and I'm pretty sure you know all about private labeling, why should FM be any different than anyone else??

It is entirely possible that FM has their lifters manufactured to their specs, but it's also just as likely that they, or others, are re-boxing TRW Chevy lifters, with or without the knowledge of the actual manufacturer.
There's nothing to stop me from calling up Summit Racing, buying sets of lifters(Comp Cams, Crane, TRW etc) and then re-selling them in new boxes with my catchy name printed on them. For that matter, if I want to be even more impressive I can even have my catchy name laser engraved on those very same lifters and sell them for even more money.

Is FM different than anyone else, or am I missing something??
 
#8 ·
I have the Woods directional lifters in my FM107 kit (2010 FLHTCU) with my TW-555 cam. FM installed them as part of their 107 kit. I'm not sure if I needed them or not, but my bike runs perfect, makes awesome power and has very little valve train noise over stock.

I, like you, am planning on doing a TW-222 cam in my RGC. I'm again having FM install their kit that includes the Woods lifters. I assume, that the shop I use (Fuel Moto) knows what they are doing and I follow their recommendations.

Maybe you should call Woods and ask why or when would you need their lifters if you are concerned about installing new lifters.

Good luck.
 
#11 ·
I would replace the lifters myself as I do not like to put worn parts atop of new parts. Wear patterns and all. Use whatever lifter you are comfortable with a like and think that you got a good deal on. I just rebuilt my engine and I went with the Gatorman 1023's and I absolutely love them. Scott from HillSide can be kind of bi-polar, it isn't his fault.
 
#13 ·
Lifters are not going to help oil pressure. If you are concerned about oil pressure, get the Baisley LMR oil pressure spring as this will give you more pressure. I installed that spring when I had my engine apart and I am elated with how it works. That spring only costs like 15 bucks and well worth its weight in gold. I like the Gatormans because of the 3 directional oiling holes. :D
 
#14 ·
I will have to look into gatormans lifters, and the spring as well. I ask mainly BC I see a lot of mixed reviews bike has like 3k on it so not worried about wear patterns on a newer bike. Just wondering benefits out weight the 2-300 bucks the things cost.
 
#20 ·
New Harley lifters suck!

Lots of ideas here......heres another. If you research the failure rate of the 99c lifter you will most likely come to the conclusion that it would be best to change them while you are in there doing cams. (At least I hope you do.) Now comes the issue of what lifters to get. Lots of choices, Gatermans, Johnson-Hylift, HQ Black Ops, Woods Directional and so on. You may know already that a lifter for a small block Chevy is a direct fit for a harley lifter, but not all Chevy small block lifters are created equal. I'll let you in on a little secret a few of us around my neck of the woods found out and it's been working just dandy.http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CCA-875-1/. Get yourself four of these dudes, set them at .100 and ride off into the sunset. $60 or several hundred for "harley performance lifters". I'm not made of money and I avoid paying the Harley tax whenever possible. Your call.
 
#21 ·
Lots of ideas here......heres another. If you research the failure rate of the 99c lifter you will most likely come to the conclusion that it would be best to change them while you are in there doing cams. (At least I hope you do.) Now comes the issue of what lifters to get. Lots of choices, Gatermans, Johnson-Hylift, HQ Black Ops, Woods Directional and so on. You may know already that a lifter for a small block Chevy is a direct fit for a harley lifter, but not all Chevy small block lifters are created equal. I'll let you in on a little secret a few of us around my neck of the woods found out and it's been working just dandy.http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CCA-875-1/. Get yourself four of these dudes, set them at .100 and ride off into the sunset. $60 or several hundred for "harley performance lifters". I'm not made of money and I avoid paying the Harley tax whenever possible. Your call.
Thanks for the heads up I will have to look into those, I never knew SBC lifters were a direct replacement. I have decided I will do lifters with this cam change now to decide which ones.
 
#23 ·
Scott,

Jeffrey, not Jeffery, but no biggee.

I guess the person at S&S tech line that I talked to, was full of shit then. I told him I was was lifter shopping, and that made in USA was a must, and he told me that "sorry, but some of ours are sourced in Mexico?". Now, why would he tell me that? This was last fall, by the way. Maybe they've changed to USA only since then, and if so, great!

Jeff
 
#25 ·
I bought my TW222 Cams from bob woods at the dealer show in cinncinati in feb of this year,he recomended changing lifters to help with valve train noise,Fuel-moto was sharing his booth so the lifters they sell are more than likley lifters made to woods specs havent put the cams in yet gathering parts at this time
 
#26 ·
Over the winter I replaced my cam/lifters/push rods/cam bearings & cam chain tensioners. Bought the TW-222 cam/ lifters/push rods & bearings from Fuel Moto. This was my first attempt at performing this task and I found it rather easy with the proper tools. Mainly for the bearing removal & replacement.
I am very happy with the outcome and have had 1000+ miles of trouble free riding so far.